Patch's Poll: Which Party Will Be Helped Most by the Supreme Court's Obamacare Decision?

Jay Gatsby June 30, 2012 at 01:11 pm

Why do you assume that supporting government involvement and taxation equates to non-involvement in politics? Do you know how rude and inaccurate that statement is? I consider myself very involved and I fully support both of these things. You see, Mrs. Novak, whilst I agree that political debate should remain amicable between the left and the right, by suggesting that the values of the left are fueled by a lack of education, you’re not being very amicable. You say, “there often is more than one answer to life's problems,” but you seem to advocate otherwise. You seem to promote only your right-wing conservative solutions. You may have posted this comment to portray yourself as a candidate willing to work with the folks across the aisle, but I see through this ruse. Regardless, I wish you luck in the upcoming congressional election. Good day.

David Irons June 30, 2012 at 01:32 pm

Addressing the question posed by this poll, I'm not convinced that this decision on health care will have all that much effect on the election outcome. The prime topic, I and others still believe, is the economy.
As for the health care issue, this bill does nothing to address the core issue. That issue is the cost of health care. It is not the cost of health care insurance. Insurance, be it private or government, will remain costly as long as the cost of the health care itself is costly. What is needed is to correct the reasons for health care being so expensive in the first place. Doctors practicing "defensive medicine" requiring unnecessary tests, court awards in malpractice cases beyond justification, and other costs. That is what will bring costs down for consumers.

Joseph Auwood June 30, 2012 at 02:54 pm

When you argue "ad homenum" you have lost the debate!
jaaa

John Martin June 30, 2012 at 03:34 pm

We don't have these arguments over car and house insurance. Why? Because it is portable and companies can easily operate and sell plans throughout the country. If were were to do the same with health insurance, we would see large enough pools to attract companies to write policies for pretty much anyone. At competitive prices.

Sharon Pealer July 1, 2012 at 01:50 pm

I suspect that this issue will be one of the factors in the upcoming election. Sadly the response to the passage of the ACA was for insurance companies to either raise rates on existing customers drastically , or cut into the amount that customers could depend upon having paid through the coverage. I know that our coverage still costs the same right now as it did before the ACA, but and here is the real issue, our co-pay arrangement changes drastically. Before the ACA, we paid a 20 dollar co-pay and a couple hundred for hospital care. Now we have to swallow $750. per person before any payment will be made per person by the insurance company. The bottom line for me and I suspect many others is that because of the real increase in cost of health care coverage to those who have always had it, it is no longer as available to them. Broken down in simple terms today a simple surgery that requires follow up can now cost thousands of dollars when it had cost a few hundred. We now live in fear of getting sick.

REVMAN July 1, 2012 at 05:10 pm

This kind of makes me wonder about our politicians and the healthcare bill --To Quote"Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" ....Well now we will find out.

roy July 3, 2012 at 10:45 am

It is the language of right-wing racists - sorry about the truth

George Kuenneke July 3, 2012 at 11:37 am

@Roy, Your hate filled posts are tiresome. If you can't hold a intelligent, mature debate; please leave.

roy July 3, 2012 at 04:58 pm

true!!!!!!!!!!!!

roy July 4, 2012 at 01:44 pm

I enjoy the notion of being accused of hate-filled quotes from Tea-Bag crazies -
which one of you will be the first to use the benefits of Obamacare? which one of you critics will join another in a same-sex marriage? how many of you currently use birth control? how many of you collect social security - a program begun by the great liberal FDR? Just wondering!!!! By the way Obamacare is a legitimate and legal piece of legislation - doesn't that make you Tea-Baggers want to drink coffee? There you have no ranting - well just a bit ---- and Geroge if you are liberal you are dreaming or deceptive!!!!

Dorry Clay July 4, 2012 at 01:57 pm

Isn't the main reason people run for office to get the government health care?

roy July 4, 2012 at 09:00 pm

Crass like what?
Racist!!! Homophobe!!!! Misogynist??? get a life man!!!!

roy July 4, 2012 at 09:18 pm

So far at 5:20 PM, July 4, 2012 --- 1107 people have voted in this poll that the Republicans will win in November --- are they dreaming???? Not a chance!!!!!
Obama has the support of people between 18 and 26, people who are signing up for national healthcare insurance, a majority of women voters, unionized workers, a majority of African-American voters, a majority of Hispanic voters - what is left???? crusty old white people and there are not enough of those anymore and also supporters of Bin Laden and they seem to be disappearing faster than crusty old white people!!!! So 1107 people who answered this poll - you are delusional!!! change your meds!!!!

REVMAN July 5, 2012 at 01:13 pm

Roy ----Why would Obama have the support of children 18 to 26 .(Googled)The unemployment rate for 18-to-29-year-olds with a high school degree. The unemployment rate for young Hispanic Americans is 35%, and the rate for young Black Americans is 42%.

augie42 July 5, 2012 at 01:27 pm

Thats it Roy, attack a 'group' by calling them a derogatory name, are you still in high school? The fact is that the premise this law will provide affordability and accessibilty is disproven by MANY experts on both side of the aisle. The thousands of exemptions the law has written into it screams of political kick-backs for those who supported the President. The CBO now states in 10 yrs it will cost OVER $1.8 trillion. And have you seen all the hidden taxes in it? Employers will now have an option. Provide HC insurance or pay the penalty. In our struggling economy I believe most will opt for the cheaper penalty....leaving many to go to the gov't plan. How many gov't plans do you know that are run well?...Not many. So now instead of doctors deciding your fate or treatment, it will be beaurocratic panels......I can't wait.

Justin July 5, 2012 at 03:27 pm

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/lawyers-have-already-drafted-13000-pages-of-regulations-for-new-obamatax-law/
How about its a loss for the American people. Who cares about left or right anymore we need to start thinking AMERICA.

Corey Fyke (Editor) July 5, 2012 at 03:54 pm

People ... please stick to the issues and refrain from name-calling, derogatory terminology, and other general nastiness. Civil discourse can be achieved here, I'm confident. It'd be a shame to have to lock down the comments and perhaps suspend some folks. It seems like most of you have said your fill ... perhaps you can redirect your energies and post some pictures from your awesome 4th of July celebration?

John Martin July 5, 2012 at 04:38 pm

Thanks Jay - see two people can take opposite sides of an issue and play nice.

Paul July 5, 2012 at 04:56 pm

Corey...Please...this guy is making a joke out of the Patch TOS

roy July 5, 2012 at 05:02 pm

I didnt know that!!! Symbolically this probably is a crude but efficient way to describe what Republican-Tea Bag politicians are doing to the general populous. Thanks Edmund, for putting the politics of the Right into another spectrum. How in the world do you know about such filth???

Wayne Vendetto July 5, 2012 at 05:10 pm

Any use of the word teabagger is over the line. No, civil discourse involves that type of language. To remove my post and leave the others, is hypocrisy at it's finest. We look to patch for it's unbiased stance on issues. Are we foolish to do so?

Corey Fyke (Editor) July 5, 2012 at 05:10 pm

I have pared the comments to remove derogatory references. The next person to make one will be suspended and comments will be closed. This issue is a vital one that merits discussion, but only if it's civil.

Alan July 5, 2012 at 05:17 pm

You know what I don't see much of on Patch? Right leaning posters who chide other right leaning posters for hurling personal insults at posters on the left. There is a very consistent pattern of some posters on Patch only being upset when the derogatory comments are directed at right leaning posters. I'm all for keeping insults and insulting political pet names off of these boards but If you want civility, you may want to start with yourselves. From what I see here, your outrage is completely selective and runs along party lines.

Haddam Qtr Resident July 5, 2012 at 05:20 pm

Meanwhile, back to the topic.....
Does this health care law mean that there is no longer any need to donate to the CT Childrens Medical Center or the Shriner's Hospital? If this is supposed to cover everyone, there should be no need to support most charities anymore. If this is the case, this tax may make things more affordable to myself and others.

Smith July 5, 2012 at 05:22 pm

Will or won't the ACA benefit the American people? That is what we should be asking. All this banter over parties acccomplishes nothing. People are so entrenched along party lines that they will vote against their own interest just to be part of the "team" and because,in general, they would rather let talking heads "inform" them rather than do some independent thinking. Show me a real, viable candidate from either party that isn't beholden to special interests or political ideology and votes their conscience rather than adopting a politically expedient platform like "anti- big government" or "anti-1%". That might just be the day that h#ll freezes over. The old saying goes: How do you know when a politician is lying? Their mouth is moving".

edmund dantes July 5, 2012 at 05:54 pm

The question was, which party benefits most from the Supreme Court decision.
The answer is, the Democrats. The Democrats benefit because now the legislation cannot be overturned until the Republicans get 60 votes in the Senate. That will not happen. Even if Romney wins and the Republicans take the House and the Senate, the Democrats will successfully filibuster any attempt to change the law. Best case scenario for the Republicans, they get 60 Senators in 2014 or 2016. Too late, the law is implemented then, it can't be undone. The Democrats also benefit because the decision proves once again that Republicans are utterly incompetent at getting conservative judges appointed to the bench. Roberts has followed the path created by his Republican predecessor, Earl Warren, in legislating from the bench. Whatever your party, you have to respect the fact the judges nominated by Democrats stay Democrats. They actually believe in something. What does the Republican establishment believed in? Lip service.

Mary Jo Phelps July 5, 2012 at 06:09 pm

I agree Justin, right and left are just labels. It amazes me that in a country of 350M+people, we only have two political parties. We shouldn't have primaries, we should have run-offs like other countries do - that way you could vote for the candidate of your choice regardless of party, and you don't need to register with any one party. Seems more ... democratic to me.

roy July 5, 2012 at 06:53 pm

Digital Shark you are absolutely correct in your assumptions. I am now quite sure that the poll that accompanies this topic is also rigged. And Corey the Censor-guy is at the crux of this matter. I am wondering also if some of the respondents are financially involved in controlling this whole Patch effort. I imagine that one of those right-wing trillionaires working for the Tea Party has bankrolled the nationwide Patch effort.

Dan July 6, 2012 at 02:18 am

The Republicans can use reconciliation to repeal the bill if they have 51 votes in the Senate (this is the same procedure the Democrats used to pass the bill in 2010).
Repealing it is going to be difficult for other reasons, however. Although the bill as a whole is only popular with slightly less than half the country, individual provisions of the bill are very popular. One example is the provision that provides insurance coverage to individuals with pre-existing conditions. If the Republicans repeal this provision without replacing it with another provision that accomplishes the same effect, they're going to get hammered for taking away a protection that most Americans supported. The heads of the Republican party in the House and Senate came out this week and basically said they aren't interested in providing that protection, so they need to start working on good excuses for the Americans they about to disenfranchise. David Frum (former George W. Bush speech writer) wrote a good piece basically going over the primary reasons why repeal is going to be difficult even with Republican control over both houses of congress and the White House: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/28/repeal-is-a-fantasy.html .

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