Groton Long Point Receives No Town Money For Irene Cleanup

Subdivision had wanted $20,800 not covered by FEMA.

John Tuohy was so angry when he left the Town Council meeting Tuesday night he could hardly speak.

The president of the Groton Long Point Association had come to the meeting with his director of public works to ask for $20,800 that was not covered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to fix a retaining wall and clear debris after Tropical Storm Irene.

He expected the town to cover the difference that FEMA did not pay.

But Town Councilors felt otherwise.

Mayor Heather Bond Somers said Groton Long Point should have worked with the town Department of Public Works. But she said they did not wait, so she has no way of knowing whether what they paid was reasonable.

”If you want to use your own person and subcontract it out, then you should pay for it,” she said. “If not, let the town clear up the debris down there.” 

Councilor Bruce Flax said he’d support paying the bill once, but not again.

“It seems like you treat yourself like an island,” he said. “… When in reality, you’re part of a big town and working together you probably could get it (done) cheaper.”

Councilors voted down three separate amounts toward all or some of the difference the subdivision wanted. The council is expected to schedule a meeting in the future to talk about policy for working with Groton Long Point during future storms.

Rich Moravsik, director of public works for Groton Long Point said after the meeting, "It would be very simple for the town to draft a letter saying, 'This is what we can offer, here's when we can offer it, here are our rates.' But the town has never done that," he said.

Tuohy said the town is obligated under charter to maintain and clear roads in Groton Long Point. He added that subdivision is unique in that homes are close to the water and can’t wait as they are vulnerable to flooding.

During Sandy, Tuohy said public works dumped gravel on the causeway that leads to the subdivision.

Then Moravsik said he received a letter telling him to repair the causeway. He had to move in boulders to get the job done.

“Then they sent me a bill for the gravel,” Tuohy said. “How is that helping us?”

GlpGeorge January 09, 2013 at 01:17 PM
This is bogus. I pay taxes to the town for road maintenence and they refuse to reimburse us money spent on roads? What playbook are they using? So basically I am paying twice for the same service, once to the town, and then again to GLP to cover whatever the town decides they don't want to cover. Screwing over GLP while nobody is up in arms over the over $24 million dollars our utility(read:we the residents) has to cover for a failed cable company. I know, different budget, different circumstance, however it's the same municipality and the same misguided leadership. My question now is...will the town be sending GLP a bill for each student we send to the public schools...it would be the trifecta...Refuse to pay for police, roads, and education!!!!
Die Hard January 09, 2013 at 07:47 PM
Good! You guys are a private association. Its no different than if you were a condo complex
Die Hard January 09, 2013 at 10:09 PM
So are you saying that if you lived in a private condo or appartment complex, that he town should reimburse the complex for snow plowing and road maintenance?
KK January 09, 2013 at 11:15 PM
You are willing to pay for a private security force (your own police force) but not willing to repair the driveway (roads ) to your private compounds. You pick and choose how you want to belong to the town of Groton.
kathryn schlough January 10, 2013 at 05:54 AM
look at it this way it's Connecticut it's our town are state and we need to keep it clean 1 way or another we can't control the weather or what a hurricane will do it's like if it was your house wouldn't you want help you would want it cleaned up after hurricane or tornado yeah you would same thing with the beach where you take your kids we take your family picnics were you have your little get together you want clean do something!
D Paul January 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM
KK, Regarding the GLP police force... I wonder if any resident of GLP has been busted for DUI? It seems so many drive around drunk and nothing ever happens...
GlpGeorge January 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM
I would be more than happy to rid our Borough of the police force, but it would probably cost the town more money than it spends now, the price of which would be spread to the entire town. I'd love to get rid of them , have my taxes go down, and the town patrol the roads!!! GLP is not private. The town owns the roads. There is a charter signed by the Ct State Senate which designates GLP as a Borough with self governing powers and rights to levy taxes. I don't know of any condo or homeowners association with the same type of charter. So, if you know the FACTS, and are able to look at them without bias, you would realize the town has an obligation to reimburse the Borough for monies spent to clear the town roads after a natural disaster. To not do so is to sharge specific residents of a certain part of town more for storm cleanup than others. In this case the town did not charge more for cleanup in Noank, West Mystic, or Mumford cove, River Road, or downtown, but feels it has carte blance to charge GLP. KK, if I were to pick and choose how and when to belong to the town of Groton, it would not be January or July 31. If we kept the MILLIONS we pay to the town in our own coffers, we wouldn't be having these arguments every time the Town Council refuses to abide by its obligations to ALL residents of the town...including the Borough of Groton Long Point.
Rick McDonald January 10, 2013 at 02:14 PM
I would have to agree. When Thames St in the city was on the front burner (now on the back and still not funded) it was brought up that per charter in return for taxes received from the City and GLP the town was responsible for all road work.
Die Hard January 10, 2013 at 02:45 PM
So they are town roads, but i cant park on them? Buy the next model down for your next Bmw and raise your taxes to pay for it
Dave January 10, 2013 at 06:59 PM
boo hoo Why should the rest of the town pay to fix your wall when we don't have access to your park or beach or casino. You are a bunch of rich snobby elitists who constantly complain about high property taxes. I have compared the assessed values of your properties to sale prices and the sale prices are much higher. Why doesn't the rest of the town get the same preferential assessments?
Die Hard January 10, 2013 at 08:12 PM
I am so sick and tired of always hearing these rich snobs cry.
Day Lilly January 10, 2013 at 09:55 PM
Maybe they need less money next year!
Dave January 10, 2013 at 09:59 PM
I believe the retaining wall is on property owned by the Groton Long Point Association. Why would this guy expect the town to pay for maintenance on it? The government only maintains its own property!!! It's the same idea as someone asking the town to repave their driveway. It's not the town's responsibility!!!
Oh Yeah...... January 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM
All the waterfront property up there is either privately owned or belongs to the Groton Long Point Association and is tax exempt. Assuming all the sea walls are on the water, hence, 'sea walls', why is it our problem? Check it out on the Town of Groton websites interactive mapping function.
GlpGeorge January 11, 2013 at 02:14 PM
Dave, Rich...snobby? Puhlease! C'mon over for a beer and I will gladly sell you my house for what the Town says its worth (hint: it'an overinflated appraisal)I'll even throw in a couple of thirty packs. Rich....snobby...you're too funny! Had I known of the scorn I would get from the Town and it's residents....I would have bought directly across the street from me and paid 3500 a year less in taxes and been treated more fairly.
Jay D January 11, 2013 at 10:01 PM
Were my tax dollars used to fix private property sea walls and private beaches?
KK January 12, 2013 at 12:49 AM
I believe it was brought up in the budget deliberations that the Town taking over your police department wouldn't impact the overall budget. If i recall that is why GLP decided to fund it themselves. Please correct me if I am incorrect. If the town needs to take of your roads why do you have your own Public Works? Once again picking and choosing. If you feel you are part of the Town why don't you fully join it? Going back to storm clean up from what i have read GLP did not contact the town and went forward with their own repairs therefore becoming responsible for the expense. On another note, with storms like Irene and Sandy projected at becoming more frequent, you won't have to worry about your property because it will become part of the beach and my property away from the beach will be high and dry. Look to parts of the coastline to the south of us.
Oh Yeah...... January 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM
If I remember correctly, GLP had a private tree company on standby before and during Irene so they could get damage taken care of immediately afterwards. Correct me if this is not true please. Everyone else in town had to wait their turn for public works to get to their area. If a tree falls in the road in front of my house during a storm and I decide to contract a private company to clear it rather than wait for the town crew to get to it, should I expect the taxpayers to reimburse me?


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